A Bas Torah's Point of View

Monday, September 19, 2005

How True

I was just reading a post about how this young frum wife was raped by her husband shortly after she was married. Her husband, or then choson, was smooth and sweet talked her and impressed everyone. After they were married and she became a niddah, he then mocked her and demanded sex from her. He used the good old claim that shalom bayis comes before niddah. And for the sake of shalom bayis, she must have sex with him. Being a young naiive 20 year old, she did. The next night, after she called her kallah teacher and found out there is no heter for shalom bayis issues, he grabbed her and raped her. He forced himself upon her when she was not a willing participant. He ripped her skirt and slapped her around just so he can cum. He then convinced her that a pool was a kosher mikvah and made her use that instead of being seen by a mikvah lady and afraid that the bruises might be detected and reported.

I am not sure I understand this. There are a lot of loop holes here and someone needs to fill them in, unless of course, this is not a true story.


Don't we women, okay, sigh, girls learn that hitting is not allowed? Shouldn't we be taught this and told over and over again, that no matter what we do, the husband is not entitled to hit us? That we are people and we do not stand for this type of abuse? That there are places we can go to for protection and people to talk to. We must start incorporating this into our kallah classes. I don't care who he is, or how much money he has, or how much Torah he has learned, he does not raise his hand to his wife. He does not mock it. He does not treat his wife that way. We should not stand for it. Not once. Not twice. There is no, "improvemet" here. Once he hits he will always hit.

Do we go to kallah class for a reason? Don't they teach us the halachos? The circumstances that occur that we should call a Rav? If you have a question regarding niddah or shalom bayis, the kallah teacher is not the best person to ask. She doesn't have the authority to be lenient with halacha so you don't gain that much. If you need to be lenient with halacha, go ask a Rav and do not rely on your learning huband.


A pool for a mikvah? I think not, especially indoor pool. We learn the basics and a lake is kosher but not so safe.
Despite the story not being continued, so we do not really know what has happened, we do not know what had happened before. We don't know or understand why she stayed where she was for that long. Does love conquer all? Do we really lose our marbles when we marry? That no matter how much we get hurt by the one we love, we love him so much we are willing to stay there and get hurt? We ask for this. We want it.
At what point do you think she should have left her husband? What is your breaking point? When and what will cause you to leave your husband?

18 Comments:

Blogger Pragmatician said...

You are right about not asking all questions to the Kallah teacher, not only is she lacking authority for certain problems, they tend(some anyways) to say ridiculous things like that women should worry if they’re not pregnant right away.
All the doctors say to wait a year before worrying but that stupid teacher had to instill fear into my wife.

A battered woman should leave her husband the second he lifts his hand against her. No excuses, no forgiveness.

 
Blogger Moochy said...

First time to your blog, and instead of being under shock, I'd rather believe that it is not a true story.

good points about Kallah classes, I would also add to "just get them more open minded".

Mooocy

 
Blogger Y.Y. said...

this guy should be locked up and never be allowed near another woman

 
Blogger Elisheva said...

That is such a scary story. I really hope it's not true. Where was that post? Like I don't know myself yet, but I have heard from some friends that they didn't learn everything they should have in kallah classes, but I heard that everyone is told that if he ever hits they should move out right away and consult someone they trust.

Shalom

 
Blogger SemGirl said...

Unfortunately, I have heard of several cases like this for real, as opposed to an internet story. It is very sad and tragic when it does happen, and all too often its covered up by the community, especially when the man is affluent and contributes a lot to the Mosdos.

 
Blogger Y.Y. said...

it is usser for a husband to hit his wife
he must pay full damages if his wife brings him to beis din
and if its less then a penny he is liable for 39 lashes
see bava kamma for more

 
Blogger SemGirl said...

What would this Kedassia Dayan say about the wife hitting him right back. Like with a frying pan over his head..

 
Blogger Mata Hari said...

women don't only stay in marriages bec. they are so in love that they'll put up with anything. there's shame, fear of the unknown, worry about disappointing family, worry about finding another guy, having the courage to tell the truth, etc.
i think that aside from the kallah teachers, parents should tell their young daughters that they will always be welcomed back with open arms and to come to them straightaway if the guy is abusive.
in this case (if it's true) aside from the issue of physical violence which should NEVER be tolerated - this man is not a yarei shamayim, and therefore has no boundaries.

 
Blogger Y.Y. said...

powder it is true that alot of young couples dont keep niddah laws
i know it for a fact

 
Blogger Mata Hari said...

y.y. what do you think accounts for this trend? why is this happening at the same time that so many frum people seem to be going to the right and are more machmir than they used to be?

 
Blogger Y.Y. said...

i think its because of sexual desires is burning in the USA

 
Blogger Y.Y. said...

thinking
what are you a violent monster?

 
Blogger SemGirl said...

Thinking.. What are you snorting ? Granted, this wife is a bit inconsiderate, a maybe a spoiled lil brat.
It would serve her right if there was no car available for her beauty salon appt. Or the husb was docked a hour's pay and that was the $ for sheitl washing. BUT WHY WOULD YOU HIT HER??
You are sick.. get help..

 
Blogger Y.Y. said...

thinkin
you dont deserve a wife
get help soon

 
Blogger BasTorah said...

I read the post somewhere, if you have seen it before, good for you. If not, here it is. Where I got it from is not really the issue here.

I do not know who wrote it, therefore I do not know if it is true. Just the concept behind it scares me. And based on the comments here, we all seem to know one person at least...who will do such a thing or imagine it. And one even agreeing to an extent.

I do not understand the world we are living in. I do not agree that violence is the way to go. And I never accept that a husband is allowed to hit/beat his wife. Abusing ones spouse is a no-no and it works both ways. Not allowed to abuse the husband either.

I think that there are many types of abuse, but we tend to look at physical abuse differently than mental, or any other type. They are all wrong and we really need to promote awareness of this and encourage the kallah/choson classes to touch this topic in their curriculum. I hate to say it, but I do want my kids to learn about this and let them be aware what is a potential hazzard to their life.
Thanks for commenting all of you.
Ksiva Vchasima Tova.

 
Blogger BasTorah said...

Anonyone,
what comments are you talking about? I have not deleted anything...

 
Blogger David_on_the_Lake said...

You'd be shocked to know how often this happens..

 
Blogger Margaritagirrl said...

oh, G-D, too, too familiar......
I had no idea that it was SO common. But I can attest to the fact that it DOES happen - in our frum chasidish world.

 

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